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in the weakest position to defend themselves. let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in january could theoretically restore extended benefits, the immediate damage will have already been done. for many people, this is all an interesting charade. but for the unemployed it's the rea
." thank you. gregg: this lawmakers do not reach a deal with regard to the fiscal cliff cuts will go into the defense department. >> reporter: the whole package of spending cuts is $1.2 trillion, half to the defense department. the army, navy, air force marines would take equal cuts according to one analyst who says the impact on the military overall will be, quote, very serious. >> the pentagon and the departments are already in financial trouble, because there has already been a $480 billion cut that is being applied right now as we speak. to take another cut on top of that is devastating. >> reporter: it's not just the military itself that will take a hit, also the defense industry, defense contractors, private companies that do work for the pentagon. one democratic congressman in northern virginia whose district maybe hit the hardest by all of this says it could mean layoffs. >> the large defense contractors will probably be okay, they have significant cash reserves, most of them. the smaller contractors would have trouble getting their lines of credit extended, trouble keeping t
'd go over the fiscal cliff. >> spending cuts this is based on good intentions, a framework or agree to agree to spending cuts down the road and this is the criticism that historically, sort of ad nauseam, that there are those good intentions that never through. >> all of the republicans will hear grover norquist recite over and over, every time they promise spending cuts in exchange for tax hikes, the tax hikes came, the spending cuts never came. >> and how long will the road be in terms of what the subpoenaing cuts might or might not be? that will prolong the uncertainty in the market. and with the ceo conference call in the 6:00 hour, that should be very interesting. will we feel the effect of this in the first quarter earnings and gdp, other economic data points. >> it puts republican caucus in the house in the position of having to decide whether no deal is better than a bad deal. >> you know, melissa, if i could chime in, one thing, you didn't hear the president talking about the debt ceiling, and the treasury secretary says we'll start running up against the debt ceiling on mo
to be a massive fiscal cliff of large spending cuts and tax increases. i hope that congress will look at that and figure out ways to achieve the same long-run fiscal improvement without having it all happen at one date. >> there's still significant distance between the two sides, but negotiations continue. there's still time left to reach an agreement. and we intend to continue negotiations. >> and so, here we are, new year's eve, and the country counts down to popping champagne corks, the ball dropping in times square, and going over the fiscal cliff. if congress fails to act in the remaining hours of 2012, taxes will go up on all americans and a series of mandatory government spending cuts will kick in. hello, new year. hello, new recession. after two years of missing self-imposed deadline after self-imposed deadline, all eyes were on the senate over the weekend as the house's failure to even bring a plan to a vote left it up to the upper chamber to find a way out. vice president biden who had remained on the sidelines in this round of talks was even called in to help move things al
to what they call crippling medicare cuts. the automatic fiscal cliff cuts will mean 2% reduction for medicare. on top of that, doctors face a 27% rate cut, because of a medicare formula that all sides say is broken. the sustainable growth rate formula, nicknamed the sgr, triggers doctor reimbursement cuts when health costs outpace economic growth. for nine years congress has passed doc fix funding to keep rates from being cut. this year it's being held hostage by the fiscal deadlock. without a fix, one physician group has calculated that most solo family doctors will see a $27,000 cut in terms of their revenues this year. a typical three-doctor practice will lose $80,000. the centers for medicare and medicaid notified doctors that they may not see a cut right away, because of a 14 to 29-day in terms of when they actually pay the bills after they are received. if congress reaches a deal by mid-month, they won't see a problem. the cms says they'll provide an update on january 11th. not knowing how much you're going to get paid for a couple of weeks as you're starting to see patient
fiscal cliff. >> no date to cut a day to reform entitlements by tuesday. >> if we do something right now to have long-lasting, adverse effects on economic growth, that will affect us for a long time. >> until the cliff, americans say fix the tax problem. >> it's so frustrating to see both sides so far apart. >> we should not be taxed more because they cannot work together. >> get the middle class down and figure of the rest of it come january, worst case. >> worst case? no deal on anything. some tea party republicans are ready to let everyone is taxes rise so they can quickly help fix the problem and claim they voted to cut taxes. wbal-tv 11 news. >> some good news and now with the ravens officially in the playoffs. now is your chance to get the post season tickets. >> if you get any, send them my way. we will let you know where to get them coming up. >> the following monument in mount vernon? the historic spots that could come down and why is a man-made problem. >> union will be able to protect your child from identity theft. >> still waiting on a damage estimate after a messy car crash
in and the pentagon will be forced to cut $9 million in spending. >> if lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff, they may be able to avoid a different cliff, the dairy cliff. house and senate members appear likely to extend farm legislation for a year, a deal that would keep milk prices skyrocketing in january. we were worried about $6 gallon of milk. it could keep a decades old subsidy from coming back to life. the usda would be forced to buy milk at prices well above what farmers were getting now if the subsidy was revived. it could double the price of moib to $6.12 a gallon. >> markets have been reacting to each move on capitol hill, but obviously, things at this point are looking like the dow would open down by about 7.5 points. the dow is off 67 points and the nasdaq is down 14.75 points. all the surprised given the late hour that -- >> even if something doesn't happen today, it happens in two or three days. >> right. so if you were looking for a market reaction because a lot of the market iraqis we've heard has said, if highways the case, near not getting it base odd what they're going to
're doing here, we are not going to offset the fiscal cliff, just doing the bush tax cuts. we'll only take away about 11%, 12% of total economic impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, all of the policies brought together because you'll be letting the payroll tax expire, the refundable tax cuts expire, and the sequester will be doing and we won't be doing much deficit reduction. we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough them. there's no t
and that being the so called fiscal cliff but the other side of that cliff is that the massive spending cuts automatic cuts are kicking in at the beginning of next year. largely targeted at the pentagon. and what is interesting is all of this deal making we are talking about on capitol hill would really just focus on unemployment benefits and tax side of the cliff as i mentioned and most of deals it appears would not shut off the so called sequester that would hit the pentagon. on "fox news sunday" senator lindsey graham told chris wallace he got a call from the defense secretary suggesting these cuts are coming. lake a listen. >> i was called by leon panetta at 7:30 during dinner. >> secretary of defense. >> this is the failure of the supercommittee to find $1.2 trillion in cuts. half of the 1.2 falls on defense who already cut. he says if we do this we will shoot the defense department in the head and send out 800,000 layoff notices the beginning of the year. he is worried to death if we don't fix sequestration we will destroy the biggest military in the world at the time we need it most.
to deal with the fiscal cliff and deal with the spending cuts and later this year, not much else, not much time we have to sort of get out of this so they're saying, if they can get something through the senate, fine, but if not, it's up to them, they're waiting for the senate at least as far as the house of representatives. >> harris: our senior producer on capitol hill, often we don't get to see him, i can hear voices behind you and know there are people still on the him and let you get back at it. and if there's breaking news we'll bring you back. >> we think it's going to be pretty dead from this point on. >> harris: 11 a.m. eastern tomorrow is whe expected to pick back up again with official leaders going back to the hill. some new information coming out now about the terror attack in benghazi. according to president obama, the united states has some very good leads on who carried out that deadly assault at the consulate in libya killed four americans, as you know, including our ambassador to libya, christopher stevens. mr. obama remarking on the investigation into what happened durin
. if lawmakers do not reach a fiscal cliff agreement, you could see your taxes skyrocket and deep spending cuts kick in. major sticking points, entitlements and tax increases. house republicans have ended their meetings for the night. we'll find out tomorrow whether vice president joe biden and mitch mcconnell have made any progress in their talks. any deal would have to get enough votes to pass the senate and the house. >>> president obama says sandy hook school shooting was the worst day of his presidency. americans will have to explore their own feelings when his gun law reform proposals come out next year. >> the question then becomes, whether we are actually shook up enough by what happened here that it does not just become another one of these routine episodes where it gets a lot of attention for a couple of weeks and then it drifts away. it certainly won't feel like that to me. >> the president says the law he's pushing will address assault style rifles, high capacity magazines and background checks. >>> the fiscal cliff, it's not the only deadline pressing on congress. a five-year farm
to avoid some of the tax parts of the fiscal cliff. it would keep tax cuts for the making $250,000 a year or less, extending unemployment benefit and with the clock ticking delay dramatic spending cuts until next year. >> i asked leaders of congress to work toward the package to prevent tax hike on middle class americans protects unemployment surance for 2 million americans. lays the groundwork for work on growth and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package tha
would be spent on eliminating the fiscal cliff automatic spending cuts and extending unemployment checks. is it true not a dial would go to cutting the real problem, the debt and deficit? >> yeah. in one scenario that is absolutely the case. we shouldn't actually be surprised. it has been clear at least for a short amount of time that this hasn't been the goal of these discussions. i mean for all the talk about deficit reduction and despite the fact that this began as an effort to rein in spending after the 2010 elections, it is clear democrats in the house and senate, i would argue the president, haven't been serious about long-term spending cuts. gregg: maybe they're not serious, you know, they see a political benefit to literally going over the fiscal cliff? >> yeah. i think there's, obvious political incentive for the president to go over the fiscal cliff at this point. if you think where we will be in just two days, and you're the president of the united states looking back on this, taxes will have gone up, defense cuts his uniform military have warned against will begin to be imple
of the fiscal cliff is congress agreed that they would cut an additional $1.2 trillion in spending. they put a committee together to try to come up with those numbers. they didn't figure out how to do it. and so what we now have is a situation where these automatic spending cuts go into place. now, if we have raised some revenue by the wealthy paying a little bit more, that would be sufficient to turn off what's called the sequester, these automatic spending cuts, and that also would have a better outcome for our economy in the long term. but, you know, so far, at least, congress has not been able to get this stuff done. not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> you talk about a dysfunction in washington. you signed this legislation setting up the fiscal cliff 17 months ago. how accountable are you for the fact that washington can't get a
if they reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, there are already defense cuts that will hurt anyway. >> that's right. those decisions have been made. what's so disappointing about this deal being constructed here, and hopefully there is one, is the fact sequestration is not on the table. that is going to take place anyway. we look at the readiness of our forces and readiness is a word that describes the preparedness to fight effectively and that he is what americans should remember. we look at one, do we have the people, and are they qualified with the appropriate skill sets, enlisted and officer. do we have the repair parts and maintenance hours to fix the equipment that we have and then are we able to train effectively with that with the amount of hours and time needed to do that. all of that would be cut back significantly, so the readiness of this force, its ability to fight is what i'm saying, would go down markedly. and also there's going to be significant morale impact to the force because all of the services on bases would be cut to include repair and maintenance of barracks and facility and
will the fiscal cliff. $600 billion worth of tax increases and spending cuts. it is supposed to be automatic. but now republicans are suggesting a delay, the president just spoke trying to add pressure to congress to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. listen. >> my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain, whatever you want to call it, that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way that doesn't just deal with the taxes, but deals with the spending in a balanced way, so that we can put all this behind us focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. >> let's turn now to chief white house correspondent jessica yellin. let's talk a little bit about the outlines of the deal, the fact that the president came out to make his case and try to push this thing over the finish line. what does the white house have to do to gain the backing it needs. >> reporter: well, what we heard from the president today just now was really an
down toward the fiscal cliff deadline and looming tax hikes and spending cuts, that will impact nearly every single american we are just hours away from a crucial white house meeting of the president obama and leaders from the house and senate will sit down for their first face-to-face since november! but what can they hope to accomplish with so little time left, and at this point do they even want to come up with a solution? joining us oklahoma congressman james langford, incoming chairman of republican policy committee and serves on the house oversight and budget committees. congressman, are we going over the cliff? >> well we certainly hope so, hope not actually, but trying to get this resolved. the house as you know full well passed all of our sequestration documents in may. passed all of our tax documents in august and we have waited for the senate all this time and for the president frankly all this time. frustrating for the house did all our work early and be at the point we never hoped to be at. jon: when senate majority leader harry reid says speaker boehner, leader of the hou
when people were starting to lose hope on the edge of the fiscal cliff the president met with leaders and said he was modestly optimistic about a deal on taxes. meeting this the red room, president obama held firm for tax cuts for families making up to $250,000 per year, and joining me on the north lawn of the white house is kristen welker. kristen, let's listen to what the president said about and up or down vote or what he expects from the senate. >> i had a good and constructive discussion here with the leadership about this tax hike on the middle-class. i am optimistic that we can reach an agreement that will be passed in both houses. if an agreement is not reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor and up or down vote for the floor, and i believe a p proposal could pass both houses with majorities as long as the leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. >> kristen, this up or down vote seems to be be the big new
, with five days left until the fiscal cliff of tax hikes and spending cuts. the house planned to reconvene on sunday evening. a christmas season storm rolled through the northeast and new england, as the death toll climbed to 16. and lisa jackson announced she's stepping down as administrator of the environmental protection agency. and online, we've got a unique year-in-review of sorts. kwame holman has more. >> holman: science correspondent miles o'brien has had a most interesting 2012. he's crawled in sewage, cuddled with dolphins and played guinea pig to lots of experiments. watch some of the best outtakes of miles' science stories on the rundown. and we round up the most important lessons we've learned about helping kids stay in school from our series, american graduate. all that and more is on our web site newshour.pbs.org. margaret? >> warner: and that's the "newshour" for tonight. i'm margaret warner. >> brown: and i'm jeffrey brown. we'll see you online and again here tomorrow evening with mark shields and david brooks among others. thank you and good night. >> major funding for th
as negotiations on capitol hill stall to avert falling over the fiscal cliff. senate leaders need to put something together to avoid tax increases for just about everyone and big spending cuts. a make or break deal comes down to a few lawmakers on the topic of taxes on the wealthy. >> it remains to be scene whether the republicans being driven by a very extreme group of house members will allow our economy to pert because of their desire to protect multimillionaires in this country. that's what it's going to boil down to. republican representative tom cole says he's confident that bainer can get the votes he needs. >> on the speaker's plan, he had over 200 republican votes, it's not as if he had an awfully strong hand to play, if it's a deal john boehner can accept, it will be passed in a bipartisan manner with a very strong majority. if on the other hand he's neutral and not favorable, his chances will be a lot slimmer. >> lisa desjardins following the news on capitol hill. >> reporter: the news is a little better than it was earlier today. negotiations are still happening. there was a point toda
as the fiscal cliff deadline loomed, january first. it would mean more than $600 billion in across-the-board tax increases and automatic spending cuts. >> come the first of this year, americans will have less income than they have today. if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed. >> warner: this morning, the senate's democratic majority leader, harry reid, was blunt about chances for a deal. and he blamed house speaker john boehner. just before christmas, boehner floated his so-called "plan b"-- letting taxes rise on millionaires. but faced with opposition in republican ranks, he pulled it, and sent the house home for the holiday. reid charged today politics explained why the speaker had not yet called the house back. >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on a firm financial footing. it's obvious what's going on. he's waiting until january 3 to get reelected to speaker before he gets serious about negotiations. >> warner: a boenhner spokesman shot back, "harry reid should talk less and legislate more." but late today,
and crippling spending cuts. remember analysts say falling off the fiscal cliff could drive the u.s. into another recession. more than a month has passed since the last time they got together. the obama administration called that mid another meeting constructive but there has been little to no progress. today lawmakers on both sides of the aisle tried to strike an optimistic tone. >> millions of americans are out there struggling and certainly they deserve a congress that will avoid going over the fiscal cliff, which is why the president has been working hard to bring leaders together. >> we can't continue to kick the can down the road with half measures. i think the market will respond in a permanent and negative way to our inaction. >> the chairman of the senate finance committee says it comes down to this meeting adding i wish them luck. it would be a great new year's present for the country. ed henry, how pivot the is the meeting? >> we're on the verge of the biggest tax increase since world war ii. that's how big it is. everybody watching this, if we go off the cliff, everyon
about leading to the fiscal cliff. you have the payroll tax cut that will expire, and nobody is talking about extending back. that is one that will give it the biggest bang for the buck economic allies. it helps americans the most. host: come out of the cliff are we cutting off, and how much will it -- and how much will we be going off? guest: you're staring at 1 cliff surely, that is 2% of every wage earner but to every $110,000 or so. that will have a pretty dramatic economic impact. beyond that, you'll be approaching a debt ceiling cliff which is another standoff. i assume that is where we will get most of the discussion on spending cuts. that seems to be absent from whatever deal they will be talking about. guest: another way to think about it -- if there is no deal at all, the $600 billion in cliff-related tax increases and spending cuts, if they have some kind of deal, we're talking about $200 billion or so. what we're talking about here is probably the wrong fiscal policy given the time. something in between that, maybe the minimum of $200 billion and the maximum of $600 billion.
to avoid the fiscal cliff, which would mean avoiding automatic tax increases and spending cuts come, you know, 1. the president spoke to the nation this evening after an hour-long meeting with congressional leaders at the white house. democrat and republican leaders have agreed to extend jobless benefits and some tax increases. they appear to remain deadlocked on who exactly will pay those higher taxs. we have two reports tonight, beginning with major garrett at the white house. major, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, jeff. two things are clear tonight that were not clear this morning-- progress is real and if a deal is reached, it will be far smaller than any of the key players envisioned only a couple weeks ago. is this deal, if it's to be reached, will not the so-called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit reduction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts for the defense department and other government programs. it looks like those cuts will go forward. what the president said today is
the board cut if the fiscal cliff hits. i mean, this is the wrong posture. we don't want people that create jobs, people that decide how many people will be hired in the next year to be having -- to have bad karma now. we want people looking forward in a positive way, how we're going to grow into new markets, how to export more. we need the country to be more competitive so we can export to china, mexico, export to canada. that's critical, growth. if we have growth, we hire more people. dagen: drew, thank you, great to see you. happy new year. >> thank you, go rg iii. dagen: yeah, babe! we'll kick the cowboys you know what into mexico. drew, thank you, be well. end on a positive note. positive newses too for the housing market, recovery on the way. anthony sanders is here saying washington better not screw it up. in a show of arms, iran's military moves and what that means for the price of oil and gasoline here at home. look at how oil is trading today, well above $90 barrel a mark, down just slightly, but close to 91 bucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us onli,
with the fiscal cliff looming large. >> the fiscal cliff gets closer. congress now has six days left to make a deal. >> aloha, hawaii. >> to my republican colleagues, the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> they were this close. they were this close to a solution. >> he's going to get tax rate hikes. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are. >> be republican and be conservative and pass a bill that cuts tax. >> boehner has no control over his extreme right wing faction. >> should anybody's taxes be raised at this point? answer yes or no. >> no. no. ♪ >> we begin as president obama and the senate head back to washington set for one last effort to avert the first fiscal cliff. aloha means good-bye for the president as he packs bound for the white house tonight. the president cutting short his vacation leaving michelle and the girls behind as he gets back to work to try to prevent tax increases and spending cuts due to begin next week. there's just one problem. it appears there would be no house republicans to help hammer out a deal.
the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, president obama cut his hawaii vacation short to return to washington today. but has he been working on a deal? "outfront" tonight, reports from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, and senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. jessica, first, to you, the president's back in washington, wheels down. he left his christmas vacation early. but was this just a bit of showmanship, or has he been working on something specific? >> reporter: hey, john. well, today has been a bit of a quiet day here at the white house. publicly, the president has been scarce, no sign of him. behind closed doors, i'm told a few meetings internally, but mostly, relatively quiet. i expect we will see more from the president, perhaps we could even see him publicly tomorrow. perhaps he could even meet with or talk to some of the congressional leaders. the president's role in all of this, he can get each of the leaders to come closer on what the white house believes is already, pretty clearly, the framework for a final deal, and he can also
want to see a fiscal cliff deal. if it cuts the heck out of all kind of programs, then you can have a deal that is actually a real drag on the recovery as well. maybe not a recession, but a slower year than we otherwise would and slow growth. again, there's two percentage points in the payroll tax scheduled to increase on january 1. if you look at how negotiations are going, it looks like it's going to happen. the typical family's taxes by $1,000 over the course of a year. >> the final one, we are talking debt ceiling. you think the fiscal cliff thing is bad for the economy. you wait and see if they can't get the debt ceiling worked out. >> right. it's one thing to go over the fiscal cliff. that would be bad. we don't want to it happen. a recession may happen. it would be unfortunate. it's different than the u.s. defaulting on the debt. you know, we saw that back in august, 2011, we saw the downgrade of the credit rating. just by having the threat of not approving the debt ceiling increase and the possibility of default. it comes around again at the end of february, beginning of mar
. on to the fiscal cliff this morning. the president cutting his vacation short in hawaii. the president plans to leave for washington tonight. congress expected to return on thursday. president, guys, not expected to actually arrive in washington until tomorrow morning. no talks scheduled that we know of as of yet. all the attention's going to turn to the senate, which tends to be more of a compromising body than the house is. >> yes. and the president is available in person if you should want to go over there and visit with him. or perhaps if he wants to visit with anybody else. the consensus seems to be if you get some sort of a deal, it's obviously not going to be the big deal. it will simply be something that extends the tax cuts for the vast majority of americans, at least those earning less than $250,000 a year. the consensus seems to be, carl, that if we don't get a deal by the second or third or fourth week, the super bowl week, we'll start to feel it in the economy. >> we had a notable sell-off. there is typically a bias on christmas eve, but the worst christmas eve performance for t
of the program. he was introducing a bill to soften the landing if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff. the calm act.thit it would allow omb to substitute sequester cuts. more than $100 billion in budget cuts across the board. that is something the new congress will have to deal with. less than 17 hours before the deadline. ellen is joining us from washington, d.c. caller: good morning. i did nothing speaker boehner wanted to cut a deal with the democrats anyway. all this stuff is around president bush. it's not all on obama. host: ok. thank you for the call. harry reid said this yesterday. [video clip] >> the republicans have taken the benefit cuts off the table. there is still significant distance between the two sides but negotiations continue. there is still time left to reach an agreement. host: those negotiations moved into the evening. the house coming back at 9:00 p.m. eastern for morning business. votes would happen sometime after 10:00 a.m. front-page of "the new york times." let me read a few sentences. host: that is the front page of "the new york times." good morning from
and they have to prepare for the cutting side of the fiscal cliff, not just the taxes. >> o'donnell: and, nancy, if there is no deal, what happens next on monday? >> reporter: essentially we move to plan b, where senates democrat introduce their own plan in the senate that caps the bush tax cuts ap at $250,000 or less, extends long-term unemployment benefits, maybe imposing spending cuts to push off the sequester for six months or a year and we see if the republicans allow a straight up-or-down votes that only requires 50 senators to vote yes or if we have to go to a 60-vote threshold. democrats think they can get the seven republicans they need-- they think they might be able to get up to 10 who have signaled they could go along with something like this. that's not the end of the road. even if it passes, it has to go to the house and that's a tricky road as well. >> o'donnell: let's turn now to our senators who are here. senator durbin, you're the number two senator on the democratic side. how far apart are you with the republicans to reach a deal? >> well, i think there still is a chasm there
of the fiscal cliff and what these discussions are going to be. you can tell by what they're to kused on. we talk so much about what the tax cuts are going to be for the top rate on the top earners because that's what the gop is so much invested in defending. >> if those tax cuts go away, that's going to have a really, really negative effect on our economy. here's how, rev. one of the things we don't talk enough about is this whole consumer maif yor. and once we start to directly impablgt consumer's confidence and go out and buy everything, tha is going to have a severe effect on our economy. >> we've seen consumer confidence go down already. >> there's right. >> i was on morning joe this morning and something that was said that really, really startled me. listen to this. >> half of the americans are what they've taken to calling financially frazle. they couldn't come up with $2,000 if they needed to come up with it, without selling belongings, without taking out a payday loan, without going to some sort of rather desperate measures. >> half of the american people couldn't put their hands on
, like the ones in the fiscal cliff proposal or, at worse, the monetizing of the debt, the -- a drop in the value of the dollar, and all the harmful effects that that will have on our economy and our country. so, we come -- so, here we are december 31, not only the eve of a new year, which we hope and pray will be a great one for our country and everyone who lives in it, but a few hours away from letting our country go over the cliff. and we can't let it happen, and that's why i'm so encouraged that these bipartisan negotiations will produce -- are looking like they'll produce a bipartisan agreement which hopefully will come before the senate sometime this evening. this is not -- this will not be the comprehensive, bipartisan long-term debt agreement that we created the cliff to encourage. this will not be the bipartisan long-term debt reduction agreement that this country needs. so smuch going -- beginning to turn right in our economy. how's -- so much is going -- beginning to turn right in our economy. housing is doing so much better. unemployment is down. you see manufacturing pic
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that affect the fiscal cliff? host: more than four years? caller: does that affect our physical cliff? host: that is a larger issue of taxes and spending cuts. caller: thank you. host: bob on the independent line from florida. caller: nobody should worry about the fiscal cliff. asey have everybody's ira's hostage. ira will have to buy ies.sur they are not worried about the budget. everybody that has an ira basically it will have nothing because interest rates will go up so high on the treasury bills in the coming decade. be heldy's ira will hostage. i took money and i put it into gold. i did not pay any taxes on it. possession is 9/10 of the law. let them come and find it. every politician should not take a paycheck. they do not deserve it. they have been bringing our country down. host: in look at what happened 1st.ing jan. uary host: that will happen in january 1 if congress fails to reach a compromise, even a short-term compromise. dan on the phone from massachusetts. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to know how many millionaires there are in this country versus the num
% that are required in the so-called fiscal cliff. agencies will decide which employees to lay off and when. as part of these preparations, the administration also has notices it will soon deliver to delay or cancel federal government contracts. as for negotiations themselves it is a bit of a team effort here at the white house. president obama is dealing directly and spoke frequently sunday with the senate majority leader harry reid while vice president joe biden spoke frequently sunday with republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell. mcconnell and biden get along much better than mcconnell does with president obama. in the last 24 hours, the administration has given ground on raising threshold for income tax rates and estate tax rates, but also demanded much more in new government spending the republicans are comfortable with. it's that division between spending and taxes that continues to divide both sides, and that is the one thing that may prevent a deal from being achieved in the final hours as we get nearer to the fiscal cliff. >> major garrett, thank you. se
to play. as we know, if the fiscal cliff comes to pass, we'll be seeing a lot of bush era tack rates that will go up anyway. >> we know the president oftentimes trying to go to the middle. we know he's more of a moderate. he trying to bring two sides together. what we also know is republicans are relevant from a constitutional standpoint, because they control the house, so both sides will have to give something here, and the hard right or the hard left, because they caved on somebody, but that's what xlom is all about. >> but the democrats have a stronger hand. >> i don't disagree. >> so it's not a totally even give-and-take. >> he does -- >> well, it's at the white house, it is the president's meeting, thus in the process he should be doing the talking, but he should be facilitating saying, speaker boehner, where do we go from here? we tried your way and it did not work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-pe
the fiscal cliff was coming. 12 years' notice we had these bush tax cuts were going to expire. these kind of discussions require air they require time they require debate and we are now having them. when john thune says he hopes that senator reid brings a bill to the floor and it is open to discussion and amendment, not today. not today. it's too late for that. make a deal and stop markets from going over the edge, stop this economy from going over the edge. they will ruin a good economy, martin this is ridiculous, irresponsible, disgusting behavior. >> you don't want to hear this kind of detailed conversation going on now? >> no. no. >> you want to get a deal done? >> forget t no more details. no more details. you had 550 dies come one details. today is not the day. today's only job is to come up with a deal that ainvestigators going over the fiscal cliff and anything other than that is absolute irresponsibility you congressional malpractice. >> any deal? in other words, say some sort of temporary fix or have to be that long-term overhaul? >> i don't think -- at this point, beggers can't
accountable in realtime to do their jobs. we shouldn't be in this fiscal cliff today. we shouldn't have had sequestration and automatic cuts. we shouldn't have had the debt controlling debackle. all that was manufactured by the united states congress. and so i'm sanded by where we stand. >> can i ask you this is with all respect is there a concern that perhaps you're almost bailing at a time when your moderation is needed most? >> i think it is important to have centrist voices in the united states sales in the but given the fact that i have spent 34 years in the united states congress, i thought that in looking over the next six years whether or not it would appreciably change, i didn't think so. i thought it was best to contribute my experience and insiders a voice to match the outsider's frustration and to talk about how it can change and how it used to work i don't see how it changing on the short term, given the partisanship, polarization, putting the political parties first around not the country's interest first, the outside groups that you perpetuate division, i thought i could best
for that as an alternative to going over the fiscal cliff? >> i would have voted just to extend the tax cuts for 99.8% or whatever it was of americans that was john boehner's plan "b." a couple of things are either being misreported or inaccurately reported because what gets in the way of the president's plan is the constitution of the united states. and the good thing about this meeting is that the focus is now firmly on the united states senate where it should have been all these months. the house acted a long time ago to extend all the tax cuts and take care of sequestration. the senate has given speeches. >> you're referring to the fact that revenue issues are supposed to generate in the house. right now, both speaker boehner and the president say it's between reid and mcconnell which does raise the question, whatever procedural and constitutional issues, which are profound. are you concerned as a republican, someone who is close to speaker boehner, if we go over the fiscal cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if wa
the players in this fiscal cliff game. let's look at what president obama and speaker boehner want. president obama wants higher taxes on the wealthy, stimulus spending, limited cuts to entitlements, and speaker boehner wants limited tax increases and keep his job. bob, which -- where do we go from here if a deal isn't hashed out in the next few hours? >> not necessarily in that order. i think the priorities for john boehner may have been turned around. jared is an old jazz fan, as am i, and he knows that miles davis had a song called "so what" and i think that might be the background music right now as all the posturing is going on in public. the simple fact of the matter is that they are setting up the process for working out a deal after they have scared the daylights out of everybody, and it would seem to me that to quote another song, which is "what are you going to be doing new year's eve," i think that we'll be finding that these people are still hard at it and maybe calling congress into session tomorrow night which is a really rotten way to end the year. >> jared, explain for our vie
congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the fiscal cliff is you don't want to be blamed for going over it. it is going to be bad for the economy. it's bad for the country. what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreemen
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